Just a quick update on the matter. Thank you for using Tamron products and for your continuous support. Kind of like people buying a Honda Civic and complaining it is a crippled Accord. Check out how it compares. I take you Volkswagon analogy to mean you believe Canon has spent more time developing a system that games the testing regime rather than offering real world benefit. @NDT0001I don't have the camera, but I have seen screenshot in manual where you can choose between 30 (29.9) and 24 and 23.98p in 4K HQ mode.All Canon cameras I have seen so far offers 60+30p video modes when NTSC is selected, and 50+25p video modes when PAL is selected. The Cipa website has more information on their standard.www.cipa.jp/image-stabilization, 1. Lenses for EOS DSLR Lenses for EOS DSLR Lenses for EOS DSLR. Updates generaly are necessary for very different things - they don't necessarily have to be elementary things that are directly related to the camera and / or lens. I've been shot down in flames on here for suggesting as much! The updates bring support for Canon’s latest lenses to the EOS R and improve compatibility between the in-lens stabilization and in-body stabilization of the EOS R5 and R6 with RF-mount lenses. The A7r3 is rated 5.5 stops but in real life it's more like 2 stops max. AF) rather than adding new ones. (After that, I did not try, sorry! The availability of a significant firmware upgrade for the Canon EOS 7D camera created a lot of interest as it added new features to this camera. @entoman: > “Claims by any manufacturer relating to stablisation are almost impossible to verify.”, All we need is a script (possibly for G'MIC) which finds a slanted square in a photo and measures the MTF. same shell, same sensor, same IBIS, but single card slot and slower burst speed. Canon's new app helps you organize the photos on your smartphone by grading them and recommending images for deletion. A7SIII readout speed is already better than Panasonic and Nikon cameras so I don't think I see issues there. Didn’t they make one of the most compact 70-200 f2.8? Gordon Laing got 4 stops, Ken Rockwell 2-3 stops, these french guys 2-3 stops. Canon is planning to announce the next firmware update for Canon EOS R5 sometime in February 2021. I have not yet checked whether this can be set.It's your decision, doing updates or not. I had no trouble getting the CIPA standard last year when I was working on the research paper I cited above. 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The stabilizations were amazing and really helpful for stills in low light. You will find lots of respect for Nikon and others, just not Sony, as they are the actual competition. Actually I found Canon IBIS to be useful for video which I can't say for Nikon IBIS for example.I also think Canon has had several compact cameras with sensor based stabilization and they have had several IBIS patents for bigger sensors in the last 5 years.I strongly believe that Sony's problem isn't technology, it is the narrower mount. …to the revised text, incorporating the Canon EOS 7D version 2 firmware update: Soon after the release of the long awaited 5D Mark III professional full-frame dSLR, Canon updated the firmware of the EOS 7D to expand its functions and to add several new menu items that had been introduced on the 5D Mk III. But I'd expect the R to be discontinued at some stage in 2021 and replaced with a model with twin card slots, AF joystick instead of swipe bar, etc. There are several small FF and APS MILCs that are uncomfortable to hold, with cramped controls, but it doesn't have to be that way. When Ken R. phd tests something, you know it is done right. But I have no clue how they would hand-hold…) • Here the resolution is about 1600 lp/ph at MTF=50% at center. If they claim there is an improvement in stabilisation you can bet that it's true, but they haven't put a figure on the level of improvement, so it probably amounts to no more than half a stop. Firmware version 1.7.0 for the Canon EOS R adds support for Canon’s RF 600mm F11 STM, 800mm F11 STM, RF 1.4x teleconverter, RF 2x teleconverter and the new LP-E6NH Battery Pack. Perhaps the optical stabilisation motor works great for larger and slower wobbles, but can't keep up with quick small judders. Leaving out tech is one thing. Firmware v.3.0.1 (February 2018) adds support for the Dual Sensing IS function with the Canon M50. Lenses for EOS R Lenses for EOS R Lenses for EOS R. Full frame mirrorless RF lenses with unique capabilities for EOS R. Contact a Canon Customer Support Center for details. Fixes a phenomenon in which the IS capabilities may be degraded when performing continuous shooting in cases where the RF100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM lens is attached to the EOS R5 running firmware … The whole 8 stops thing is overblown and as has been stated is so variable, depending on multiple outside factors, that it is only useful as a reference point. Canon has announced a new computer-vision artificial intelligence system, and it underpins a brand-new iOS app, Photo Culling. @Terry, different methods of measurements will give different numbers but the comparative results will be similar. @ProfHankD: “I had no trouble … last year”, IIRC, you reported otherwise a couple of years ago (but maybe it was about waveforms!). Thanks for the link to your paper BTW (which I read) Very interesting. * *During continuous … Of course, the speed at which it can be implemented physically is a different story. Different manufacturers went for different approaches. As promised, Canon has made Canon EOS R5 firmware update version 1.1.1 available for download, adding improvements for the RF 100-500mm F4.5-7.1 L IS USM Lens. EOS M6 Mark II Firmware Update, Version 1.1.1 Firmware Version 1.1.1 resolves an issue during "interval timer shooting" that may result in the lens … For Canon to 'beat' everyone at their first attempt would suggest technical advantage, which as I say seems unlikely. Thus, the usual 1/focal_length seconds hand-holding rule-of-thumb really doesn't scale as you'd expect. Sony were the first with IBIS (curtesy of Minolta) made the first FF IBIS system and the first aps-c mirrorless system as well as adding IBIS to more than 20 DSLRs. Incidentally, from my preliminary (but peer-reviewed and published) tests, roll happens most when using two-handed grip of a camera; the absolute magnitude of shake was surprisingly similar for one and two-handed grips, but which axis move most changes. BTW, I think the impression that MFT IBIS works particularly well is also questionable. This would tend to imply that now Canon have a combined IBIS/OIS system, it would outperform that particular Sony setup. The following firmware updates add core functionality to the lens image stabilisation (IS) functionality to enable the lens to work together with Canon's new in-body image stabilisation (IBIS) system introduced with the EOS R5 and R6 cameras. Whatever Canon has changed now seems to be related to the structure of the content being transmitted. Firmware update 1.0.9 (November 2020) fixes a phenomenon which, in rare cases, causes the IS mechanism to make the image jump. Now, he's making near-life-size prints of them using a camera obscura and his color reversal process. It appears the reviewers are stating that Canon has the best IBIS in a full frame camera. In this buying guide we’ve rounded up all the current interchangeable lens cameras costing over $2500 and recommended the best. Its a fact not an opinion. Less moving mass certainly helps, but I think much of the apparent benefit comes from people overestimating how hard it is to hold a lens on a crop sensor delivering significantly lower resolution. Improves color balance when the RF50mm F1.8 STM lens is attached to the EOS R camera. Have a look at the recent story of AP switching to Sony: https://www.dpreview.com/interviews/2999935759/interview-we-talk-to-ap-director-of-photography-about-switch-to-sony. Yet the CIPA IBIS ratings for both cameras, and Canon's clams for them, are identical. Cameras from all makers routinely need FW updates for things like AF compatibility, profiles and other subtleties that optimize performance. I believe A6600 uses A6500 IBIS parts which are very old. Handsome90 - Thank you. Firmware v.2.0.0 (May 2017) adds support for the ‘panning’ scene mode with the EOS M5 and M6. Will this improve the stabilization to the 8 stops that were promised? The Society has literally photographed every page of its Journal magazine between 1853 and 2018, and made it all free to read online in a massive treasure trove of photographic history. I can't help but wonder if Canon purposefully left out the movie modes on the R6 to help prop up sales of the R (and if more modes will eventually be added via firmware update.) Don't tar everyone with the same brush. It's the matter of time I will switch to Canon. I downloaded it and re-ran the test today, and the results turned out much *worse* – our analysis is below. The only to achieve that would be to oversample, use a lower megapixel sensor, pixel binning 4K, weighted average pixel binning 4K, or use line skipping 4K. The EF-EOS M Mount Adapter is required to use this lens with EOS M-series cameras. That's really far from the Cipa ratings! For my type of photography, subject movement is far more likely to cause blur than camera movement (and I've got pretty shaky hands), and I find ordinary OIS to be adequate. Regarding the security advisory for Canon digital cameras related to PTP (Picture Transfer Protocol) communication functions and firmware update functions. Flash can be confusing and confounding… keep this little guide in your pocket or camera bag and never be in doubt again with your flash settings. Canon will keep the R in production as long as its meets Canon's sales expectations and profit margin for that product. @entoman: > “We have to trust to CIPA for such information,”. or at least make it 10 bit 4.2.2 internal, for both 4k and 1080p. Canon EOS R Firmware Version 1.8 - download here Firmware Version 1.8.0 incorporates the following enhancements: 1. Here’s a list of all available lens firmware updates. I miss that on my FF setup. NexUser - Sorry but I don't understand the logic behind your belief. [However, this defect is mostly masked by the choice of 63μm as of “permissible” sharpness. Firmware Version 1.8.0 incorporates the following enhancement: 1. It does not imply that there will be an improvement in stabilisation when they are used on the R. I saw Gordon Laing video and was a bit disappointed by the results he got. I really like them don't have the stupid OLED display, more compact and faster. Canon is very visibly better. The limited warranty set forth below is given by Canon U.S.A., Inc. (Canon U.S.A.) in the United States or Canon Canada Inc., (Canon Canada) in Canada with respect to the Canon brand EOS Digital Camera (the “Product”) *, when purchased and used in the United States or Canada. RubberDials: The basic point is the CIPA standard was ok for OIS when 2 stops was a challenge, but now the metric has never been good for IBIS and, in truth, any rating above a few stops is more "testing artifact" than "meaningful result." @stig yes it does all those frame rates but if you want to shoot 4K it crops the sensor 1.7x. Panasonic's a lot like Sony, just less so. Ken Rockwell is a very controversial figure, with many strong biases... but his bias here is strongly favoring the R5, so negative comments have some weight. "Up to" should always be taken to mean precisely that. Most IBIS convolve X/Y and pitch/yaw, so using IBIS+OIS can improve things a bit by using OIS for pitch/yaw, but it's usually a very small difference. Canon has also released updated firmware for seven of its IS-capable RF-mount lenses so they will better work alongside the sensor-shift image stabilization inside Canon’s new R5 and R6 mirrorless cameras. @RubberdialsWhy isn't it logical that Canon could make a class leading IBIS system on its first try? I don't think most Canon users lack respect for what other manufacturers have done, Sonys AF system has been the gold standard to try to match, Nikons overall camera design is arguably better than Canons (D5 v 1DXii, D850 v 5Div, D500 v 7Dii). @ProfHankD - Roll? A lot of folks praised Sony's A-mount IBIS for using manual lenses, but it turned out many didn't realize that IBIS read focal length from a chip, and most adapter chips said 50mm... so IBIS didn't help much or, in some cases, actually magnified shake by overcorrecting. I used a Panasonic G9 and an Olympus M1 mark ii. We take a look beyond the specs to see what it offers to filmmakers. To download the latest firmware for your lens, visit the Canon Support Centre. Good to see Canon join the club Minolta founded so long ago. Jordan from DPR TV also stated the same thing and you could see the much improved stabilisation in their video review. When using high-speed or low-speed continuous shooting modes, in Drive Mode with [High Speed Display: OFF], the visibility of the subject within the frame has been improved when shooting moving objects. Not just the Canon EOS R5.There are more Canon firmware updates: all EOS R series cameras and the EOS-1D X Mark III. how about 16k video capture for 5 seconds! I also wonder if Canon will ever bring focus bracketing/stacking to the R via firmware update. If you want to use one of these lenses, the update is required. And Olympus seem to be able to produce cameras with excellent ergonomics, despite being very small. )I would also understand that if they added a totally new feature to the protocol (e.g., assume they hadn't thought of the "3rd lens ring" ). Cipa standards need to be updated. NexUser - Very true. Different testing methods will provide different results and reviewers may well have different opinions on what is acceptably sharp, however so long as they are consistent in their application we will get a pretty good idea of the systems capabilities. I am not aware that any manufacturer is using a different standard that can be used to indicate the effectivness of their systems.How accurate it is and whether there are better alternatives for testing optical image stabilisation is another question entirely. Olympus claims 7.5 stops and the practical results are there. The CIPA standard seems to be quite clear and reproducable. He just reviews whatever is new. Oh and including Zebra patterns, so we can actually see our exposure while filming, would have been nice. (This was initially found in 8×10in era, corrected for the field of view. The Voigtlander Bessaflex TM truly could've been the go-to body for folks looking to put their dusty manual focus lenses to good use, no matter what their mount. (I did not try to read it yet, though.). DPReview TV: Sony a7 III vs. Fujifilm X-T4 - who's the king of enthusiast cameras? Lenses for EOS R Lenses for EOS R Lenses for EOS R. Full frame mirrorless RF lenses with unique capabilities for EOS R. The G-Tech heated pouch can keep you—and your batteries—warm in winter conditions. No way are you going to get 8 stops of stabilisation unless you... 1) have the best possible combination of lens and body. I then went on to use it and it seemed normal. Oh right. Despite the director of the company saying that they tested cameras from several manufacturers in 'harsh zones from the Arctic to the rainforest' & that the photographers preferred the way the Sony gear handled and performed, there are at least 700 comments - mostly from Canon users - saying that it's a big mistake, Sony literally paid AP to take the cameras, the photographers won't be able to use them, will still use their Canon gear which they prefer, will hate the handling etc.. So, if you have only Apple machines using Apple Operating System, you will not be able to update your lens firmware (or even see that a firmware update is available for your lens on the Canon website.... you can only see these lens firmware updates, if one is available for your particular lens, only if you are using a Windows machine). ilza- Very odd if "Nobody knows" what methodology CIPA uses.. Sony's FE 35mm F1.4 GM is an impressively sharp and long-awaited pro-level 35mm optic for full-frame Sony E-mount cameras. Overall, I think IBIS systems have been improving, and Canon has the potential to allow a bit more motion range than Sony, but nobody is publishing useful metrics like actual motion range, motion update frequency, amount of camera-generated shake, etc.

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